Macwizzard
Aug 28, 11:06 PM
Are those four little things on the front there for any particular reason other than to be looked at? stupid question, but I NEED TO KNOW!
Mr. Anderson
Sep 12, 03:27 PM
We just need a new chip - g5, power4, what ever. We need a chip that can go head to head against the Wintel world and not rely on 2 processors to try and keep up (and even now, this isn't working)
Its very frustrating and I hope Apple will all make us happy sometime soon.
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Its very frustrating and I hope Apple will all make us happy sometime soon.
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cr2sh
Oct 8, 06:10 PM
Ugh...
edit....
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120157
<sarcasm>All the proof you need!</sarcasm>
edit....
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120157
<sarcasm>All the proof you need!</sarcasm>
javajedi
Oct 11, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by ddtlm
javajedi:
Admittedly I am getting lost in what all the numbers people have mentioned are for, but looking at these numbers you have here and assuming that they are doing the same task, you can rest assured that the G3/G4 are running far inferior software. AltiVec and SSE2 or not, there is just nothing that can explain this difference other than an unfair playing field. There is no task that a P4 can do 11x or 12x the speed of a G4 (comparing top-end models here). The P4 posseses nothing that runs at 11x or 12x the speed. Not the clock, not the units, the bandwidth to memory and caches are not 11x or 12x as good, it is not 11x better at branch prediction. I absolutely refuse to accept these results without very substantial backing because they contradict reality as I know it. I know a lot about the P4 and the G4, and I know a lot about programming in a fair number of different languages, even some assembly. I insist that these results do not reflect the actual performance of the processors, until irrefutable proof is presented to show how they do.
I guess the 70 and 90 don't surprise me a lot for the G3/G4, depending on clock speed difference. But all this trendy wandwagon-esque G4-bashing is not correct just cause every one else is doing it. There are things about the G3 that are very nice, but the G4 is no slouch compared to it, and given the higher clock that it's pipeline allows, the G3 really can't keep up. The G4 not only sports a better standard FPU, but it also sports better integer units.
Keep in mind this test does not reflect balanced system performance. The point of this exercise has been to determine how the G4's FPU compares to an assortment of different processors and operating systems.
I'd like to know you you qualify "inferior software" on the x86. If the P4 is some how cheating, then all of the other processors are cheating as well. Again, we ran the exact same code. We even made it into C code on the mac for maximum speed. In fact I'd like for you to check the code out for yourself, so you can see there is no misdirection here. Keep in mind, other people here have ran it on Athlons in Linux and still get sub 10 second times. I've also had a friend of mine (who i can trust) run it under Yellow Dog on a G4, he got 100+ seconds. And I did not tell him the scores we've been getting on the Mac, I had him run the test first and tell me how long it took before I even said anything. The JRE and now Mac OS X have been factored out of this equation.
When you look at operations like these, for example scalar integer ops, that's all register. The fsb, bsb, or anything else doesn't matter. This is a direct comparison between the two units on the G4 vs everything else. Also, my question to you is, in what way are the integer and fpu units "better" in the G4? I did not build the chip so I can't say weather they are better or not better than those in the 750FX, but I can say I've ran a fair benchmark comparing the FPU on the G4 from everything to a P4, Athlon, C3, G3, different operating systems, on x86 Windows and Linux, and on the Mac, Mac OS X and Yellow Dog. The results are consistent across the board. What more "proof" do you want?
javajedi:
Admittedly I am getting lost in what all the numbers people have mentioned are for, but looking at these numbers you have here and assuming that they are doing the same task, you can rest assured that the G3/G4 are running far inferior software. AltiVec and SSE2 or not, there is just nothing that can explain this difference other than an unfair playing field. There is no task that a P4 can do 11x or 12x the speed of a G4 (comparing top-end models here). The P4 posseses nothing that runs at 11x or 12x the speed. Not the clock, not the units, the bandwidth to memory and caches are not 11x or 12x as good, it is not 11x better at branch prediction. I absolutely refuse to accept these results without very substantial backing because they contradict reality as I know it. I know a lot about the P4 and the G4, and I know a lot about programming in a fair number of different languages, even some assembly. I insist that these results do not reflect the actual performance of the processors, until irrefutable proof is presented to show how they do.
I guess the 70 and 90 don't surprise me a lot for the G3/G4, depending on clock speed difference. But all this trendy wandwagon-esque G4-bashing is not correct just cause every one else is doing it. There are things about the G3 that are very nice, but the G4 is no slouch compared to it, and given the higher clock that it's pipeline allows, the G3 really can't keep up. The G4 not only sports a better standard FPU, but it also sports better integer units.
Keep in mind this test does not reflect balanced system performance. The point of this exercise has been to determine how the G4's FPU compares to an assortment of different processors and operating systems.
I'd like to know you you qualify "inferior software" on the x86. If the P4 is some how cheating, then all of the other processors are cheating as well. Again, we ran the exact same code. We even made it into C code on the mac for maximum speed. In fact I'd like for you to check the code out for yourself, so you can see there is no misdirection here. Keep in mind, other people here have ran it on Athlons in Linux and still get sub 10 second times. I've also had a friend of mine (who i can trust) run it under Yellow Dog on a G4, he got 100+ seconds. And I did not tell him the scores we've been getting on the Mac, I had him run the test first and tell me how long it took before I even said anything. The JRE and now Mac OS X have been factored out of this equation.
When you look at operations like these, for example scalar integer ops, that's all register. The fsb, bsb, or anything else doesn't matter. This is a direct comparison between the two units on the G4 vs everything else. Also, my question to you is, in what way are the integer and fpu units "better" in the G4? I did not build the chip so I can't say weather they are better or not better than those in the 750FX, but I can say I've ran a fair benchmark comparing the FPU on the G4 from everything to a P4, Athlon, C3, G3, different operating systems, on x86 Windows and Linux, and on the Mac, Mac OS X and Yellow Dog. The results are consistent across the board. What more "proof" do you want?
edesignuk
Feb 15, 11:56 AM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6293
No one ever did tell us normal mortals what it truly stood for :(
No one ever did tell us normal mortals what it truly stood for :(
job
Nov 13, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
damn...time flies...
it sure does.
think about it: in january you'll have been here for 3 years. it will be my 2 year mark. that's a long time, especially on an online forum like this one. i can remember when the tag lines from that one MWSF were big news. all the hype during the pre-flat panel iMacs, pre-G5/970 rumors. ahh...nostalgia.. :D
damn...time flies...
it sure does.
think about it: in january you'll have been here for 3 years. it will be my 2 year mark. that's a long time, especially on an online forum like this one. i can remember when the tag lines from that one MWSF were big news. all the hype during the pre-flat panel iMacs, pre-G5/970 rumors. ahh...nostalgia.. :D
Dagless
Mar 19, 05:53 PM
Whilst looking at Mac Minis with an educational discount, you could buy a Mac Mini for the same price as a PS3. That's just stupid.
In the end the decision is simply - A competent computer or Dreamcast 2?
In the end the decision is simply - A competent computer or Dreamcast 2?
vniow
Nov 1, 10:06 PM
Wow you took all that time to reply to a dead topic that everybody else ignored for over a day?
FYI, it's not just a different manufacturer, the newer drive burns CDs faster and does DVD-RAM also.
FYI, it's not just a different manufacturer, the newer drive burns CDs faster and does DVD-RAM also.
SilentPanda
Jun 14, 05:35 PM
Has anybody heard about an OS X Intel Folding client? All I see are the PPC ones on Stanfords web site...
makkystyle
Sep 17, 09:42 PM
First off, I hate to say that you are wrong shrek, but you are wrong. Cell phones get more and more expensive every passing month. People are going to more and more have to "pay $500 for a phone". This does not necessarily mean the consumer pays this $500. Cell phones are a subsidized product. They are subsidized by the cellular service provider you purchase the phone from. If you went to a service retailer today and wanted to buy, say, the new SonyEricsson T68i you would probably pay around $2-250 for it. You can get it at this price because the service provider has
1) purhcased the phone in bulk
2) has locked you into a year minimum service contract
3) ensured you stay with them by "locking" the phone from other service providers
If you were to buy the phone from SonyEricsson you would pay $500 dollars. It works this way with all cell phones.
Secondly, Apple has nothing to gain by manufacturing cell-phones themselves. They have already joined forces with SonyEricsson (not motorola!!! b/c everyone knows motorola phones are crap) to make apple and SonyEricsson products compatible therefore boosting each others sales. I will not post the link for this, just go to sonyericsson.com or think back to the huge posters at Apple Paris that had T68's on them or the demonstration of iSync Mr. Jobs did at MWNY (also using a T68). Why would Apple, or any business for that matter, want to push another companies product for them then enter the same exact market???
Thirdly, I am sure that you, as many others (myself included), would like to see an apple phone. But it is something that is just not going to happen. Don't get yourself (and a lot of passers by) all excited and hopeful for a product that is clearly no where on the horizon.
SO, to bring this back to the thread topic, the answer is no! Apple and Motorola will not be collaborating on any "iPhone"'s nor should you want them too. Moto can't even produce their chips on pace with the rest of the market, Apple should be trying everything it can to get away from them (and I think they are i.e. Marklar or possible IBM partnership).
1) purhcased the phone in bulk
2) has locked you into a year minimum service contract
3) ensured you stay with them by "locking" the phone from other service providers
If you were to buy the phone from SonyEricsson you would pay $500 dollars. It works this way with all cell phones.
Secondly, Apple has nothing to gain by manufacturing cell-phones themselves. They have already joined forces with SonyEricsson (not motorola!!! b/c everyone knows motorola phones are crap) to make apple and SonyEricsson products compatible therefore boosting each others sales. I will not post the link for this, just go to sonyericsson.com or think back to the huge posters at Apple Paris that had T68's on them or the demonstration of iSync Mr. Jobs did at MWNY (also using a T68). Why would Apple, or any business for that matter, want to push another companies product for them then enter the same exact market???
Thirdly, I am sure that you, as many others (myself included), would like to see an apple phone. But it is something that is just not going to happen. Don't get yourself (and a lot of passers by) all excited and hopeful for a product that is clearly no where on the horizon.
SO, to bring this back to the thread topic, the answer is no! Apple and Motorola will not be collaborating on any "iPhone"'s nor should you want them too. Moto can't even produce their chips on pace with the rest of the market, Apple should be trying everything it can to get away from them (and I think they are i.e. Marklar or possible IBM partnership).
pudrik
Oct 22, 06:08 PM
Good catch clubsport.
I admit, this had me going. I wouldn't be surprised to see an apple subnotebook coming out soon - seemed obvious after putting Inkwell in the OS. But this isn't it. The left pic is obviously the Sony, and the right is the same with a black shaded-edge box draw on top.
And of course, if the image was stolen, why would the name be blurred? That's only done by someone trying to tease us.
I'm sure they have a tablet or subnotebook in the works, but this isn't it. sigh...
I admit, this had me going. I wouldn't be surprised to see an apple subnotebook coming out soon - seemed obvious after putting Inkwell in the OS. But this isn't it. The left pic is obviously the Sony, and the right is the same with a black shaded-edge box draw on top.
And of course, if the image was stolen, why would the name be blurred? That's only done by someone trying to tease us.
I'm sure they have a tablet or subnotebook in the works, but this isn't it. sigh...
job
Mar 2, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I'd be completely lost to even bother trying to get involved...
Or completely disgusted at the amount of one-line spam posts.
Much like my current post... :p ;)
I'd be completely lost to even bother trying to get involved...
Or completely disgusted at the amount of one-line spam posts.
Much like my current post... :p ;)
dontmakemehurtu
May 3, 09:52 AM
:(
Xeem
Mar 17, 02:16 AM
just wanted to make a thread on THE GREATEST RPG of ALL TIME!!!!!!! POST!
I wouldn't go so far as to call it the greatest RPG of all time (I'd probably vote for Chrono Cross, but you can make arguments for several others and I wouldn't disagree); it was a fantastic game, but it was WAY too short. It took me under 12 hours to beat the game the first time I played through it, and I am the kind of RPG player that will talk to every single person in a town before moving on.
Also, I can't remember what exactly it was, but something about Mallow bothered me quite a bit.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it the greatest RPG of all time (I'd probably vote for Chrono Cross, but you can make arguments for several others and I wouldn't disagree); it was a fantastic game, but it was WAY too short. It took me under 12 hours to beat the game the first time I played through it, and I am the kind of RPG player that will talk to every single person in a town before moving on.
Also, I can't remember what exactly it was, but something about Mallow bothered me quite a bit.
lexus
Jun 2, 11:36 AM
It is back online and see if you can spot the changes.
dmw007
May 29, 04:22 PM
I would love to be able to work at an Apple store part-time (just a couple of hours a week). It would be wonderful to be in a room surrounded by the latest and greatest Apple technology and helping people out.
gandalf55
Oct 11, 04:23 PM
3rd party hardware is the way to go (exception ** i love my pro keyboard **). i have about 8 mice, and i do enjoy the pro mouse very much (can't game with it though.) my gaming mouse right now is a logitech optical job with buttons all over it and a scrollwheel. most of my mice are logitech (even a tiny one for my laptop), logitech rocks. i bought a kennsington once and it was the worst piece of crud i ever purchased. it's not even worth the price of a 6" cat 5 patch cable...
oh... and i have a griffin technology powermate and it kicks mucho asso.
oh... and i have a griffin technology powermate and it kicks mucho asso.
crazzyeddie
Nov 18, 11:29 AM
Our friend there is on PowerPC. His production is.......lacking.:D
Ahhh.. the sound of jealously... :D
Ahhh.. the sound of jealously... :D
WildCowboy
Jun 20, 02:42 PM
Also down for me.
jefhatfield
Sep 6, 07:15 AM
then how about next year?
perhaps, apple is not there yet, but since the topic comes up so much like the lcd imac concept did, it will become an eventual reality
...but by the time it does come around, i don't think many people will really care that much since there will most likely be a g5 powermac, dual, running well beyond 1.5 ghz, with a 4 GB RAM capacity
perhaps, apple is not there yet, but since the topic comes up so much like the lcd imac concept did, it will become an eventual reality
...but by the time it does come around, i don't think many people will really care that much since there will most likely be a g5 powermac, dual, running well beyond 1.5 ghz, with a 4 GB RAM capacity
zap2
Mar 20, 07:08 PM
Hmm...maybe I won't pick it up.
We'll see, I need to put some cash way for OS X 10.5 and iWork '07, so it would be a good idea not to buy it. Maybe I'll only pick up the GodFather..time will tell
We'll see, I need to put some cash way for OS X 10.5 and iWork '07, so it would be a good idea not to buy it. Maybe I'll only pick up the GodFather..time will tell
Mr. Anderson
Oct 28, 09:55 AM
That's making the assumption that there will be specials on the obsolete, comes with OS9 systems. There will most likely be a push before MWSF that will provide you with some deals - so you might want to wait until after Xmas and see what happens. But if OS9 compatiblity is important, buy before the switch.
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splashscr
May 28, 03:01 AM
Yo everyone, how is it going? I am a business man who needs to travel a lot. Now I am trying to find some software that can download maps on my cell phone. Can anybody give me some information about it? So far I know that Nav4All from Netherlands does not cost you much. Does anyone know this product? Thx!
mkrishnan
Jun 1, 06:14 PM
By the way, did anyone notice this C|Net article (http://news.com.com/2100-7355_3-6079101.html)? Apparently Vista purposefully randomizes the memory location of system resources in order to prevent providing predictable targets for buffer overrun exploits... I feel like I should have something to say about that, but I'm not sure what it should be. :rolleyes: