velocityg4
Apr 18, 09:30 PM
From what I remember. The architect had Apples in his office that his company used. He never specified whether Bill Gates house was designed with them or other machines in the office. I would assume both.
timswim78
Mar 30, 02:30 PM
I use an Ideq with an Athlon 64:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/barebone/minipc.php3
This is another option, if you wish to choose your own motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144162
http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/barebone/minipc.php3
This is another option, if you wish to choose your own motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144162
vniow
Oct 5, 07:08 PM
OK, calm down peter2002.
There are some things that are out of Apple's control, like processors.
They don't make them, Moto does.
If you're in doubt that even a mere 1.5 Ghz Power4mini-me won't stand up to a PIV twice it's speed, then you need to take a look at some of the benchmarks.
Yes, the PIV will look faster, but even a single core Power4mini-me will stomp it.
It takes years to develop a processor, and it's out of Apple's hands.
Besides, anyone who knows even a little about processor design knows that the PIV was designed by Intel's marketing commitee and not by their most educated chip deigners
There are some things that are out of Apple's control, like processors.
They don't make them, Moto does.
If you're in doubt that even a mere 1.5 Ghz Power4mini-me won't stand up to a PIV twice it's speed, then you need to take a look at some of the benchmarks.
Yes, the PIV will look faster, but even a single core Power4mini-me will stomp it.
It takes years to develop a processor, and it's out of Apple's hands.
Besides, anyone who knows even a little about processor design knows that the PIV was designed by Intel's marketing commitee and not by their most educated chip deigners
Jalexster
Mar 17, 02:45 AM
Guess the on crack Apple Legal Team have taken it down.
SNIP
Fixed it for you. How could they do this to us!
SNIP
Fixed it for you. How could they do this to us!
edesignuk
Oct 16, 01:26 PM
You know what? I have absolutely no idea! :D But...I still want one ;)
dragonsbane
Mar 20, 12:18 AM
beyond this robin hood mentality
I think you may be misunderstanding the natural human desire to be free with a fairy tale. No matter where you look in history, humans are always trying to find ways to increase their freedom and decrease oppression. This is not "Robin Hood", this is nature.
If only people could work up a tenth of this kind of moral indignation over things that really matter, like poverty or racism.
Start working at changing the world from where you stand. No one needs to "wait" to care. And what you care about is of much less importance than the fact that you feel anything at all.
I think you may be misunderstanding the natural human desire to be free with a fairy tale. No matter where you look in history, humans are always trying to find ways to increase their freedom and decrease oppression. This is not "Robin Hood", this is nature.
If only people could work up a tenth of this kind of moral indignation over things that really matter, like poverty or racism.
Start working at changing the world from where you stand. No one needs to "wait" to care. And what you care about is of much less importance than the fact that you feel anything at all.
LeeTom
Apr 5, 08:15 PM
It doesn't ship until May...
jamesi
Apr 26, 10:15 PM
lol oh no the history major has spoken. i enjoyed the brief recap you gave about the revolution and apple's history but that wasnt what i was going for. im strictly talking about the two men themselves.
As the french revolution proceeded, Robespierre came to associate himself more and more with the essence of the conflict at hand. In the revolutions worst years, Robespierre was often noted to speak of an illness he acquired, he said that his life was not interwoven with the revolution. through the massacres and even the terror, Robespierre defended these acts b/c he was convinced that they were needed for the revolution to really come to fruition. i believe Robespierre compromised himself to become this greater cause, and went to extreme lengths to excuse the revolution and allow it to proceed uncontrolled. extreme? yes. but i feel robespierre really did come to represent the cause and errors that were the revolution
now i say robespierre and jobs are alike b/c jobs seems to be apples own "personal representative". Like robespierre, jobs is known for being difficult to work for. strictly b/c jobs refused to compromise the goal of apple in any way, and robespierre did the same by excuses the murders. the two characters persist in thier cause and like wise meet opposition from within thier own cabinet. thats some of what i think
oh and btw im a history major two, well double major with biochem.cheers
As the french revolution proceeded, Robespierre came to associate himself more and more with the essence of the conflict at hand. In the revolutions worst years, Robespierre was often noted to speak of an illness he acquired, he said that his life was not interwoven with the revolution. through the massacres and even the terror, Robespierre defended these acts b/c he was convinced that they were needed for the revolution to really come to fruition. i believe Robespierre compromised himself to become this greater cause, and went to extreme lengths to excuse the revolution and allow it to proceed uncontrolled. extreme? yes. but i feel robespierre really did come to represent the cause and errors that were the revolution
now i say robespierre and jobs are alike b/c jobs seems to be apples own "personal representative". Like robespierre, jobs is known for being difficult to work for. strictly b/c jobs refused to compromise the goal of apple in any way, and robespierre did the same by excuses the murders. the two characters persist in thier cause and like wise meet opposition from within thier own cabinet. thats some of what i think
oh and btw im a history major two, well double major with biochem.cheers
mms
Jan 1, 05:34 PM
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DeSnousa
Jul 16, 01:57 AM
1
iBook :cool:
iBook :cool:
MacsRgr8
Sep 19, 03:44 PM
Both Inside Mac Games and Maccentral have stated hat the 9700 wlll come to the Mac this fall. But that was stated on July 18....
mattevil
Sep 25, 03:52 PM
here is a better cupe rip off it's one of the hellraiser cube pretty nifty except the guts
<img src="http://www.sheff.com/projects/HellRaiser/images/SBA_CubeLightsOn.jpg">
http://www.sheff.com/projects/HellRaiser/hellraiser01.html
<img src="http://www.sheff.com/projects/HellRaiser/images/SBA_CubeLightsOn.jpg">
http://www.sheff.com/projects/HellRaiser/hellraiser01.html
javajedi
Oct 11, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by ddtlm
javajedi:
Admittedly I am getting lost in what all the numbers people have mentioned are for, but looking at these numbers you have here and assuming that they are doing the same task, you can rest assured that the G3/G4 are running far inferior software. AltiVec and SSE2 or not, there is just nothing that can explain this difference other than an unfair playing field. There is no task that a P4 can do 11x or 12x the speed of a G4 (comparing top-end models here). The P4 posseses nothing that runs at 11x or 12x the speed. Not the clock, not the units, the bandwidth to memory and caches are not 11x or 12x as good, it is not 11x better at branch prediction. I absolutely refuse to accept these results without very substantial backing because they contradict reality as I know it. I know a lot about the P4 and the G4, and I know a lot about programming in a fair number of different languages, even some assembly. I insist that these results do not reflect the actual performance of the processors, until irrefutable proof is presented to show how they do.
I guess the 70 and 90 don't surprise me a lot for the G3/G4, depending on clock speed difference. But all this trendy wandwagon-esque G4-bashing is not correct just cause every one else is doing it. There are things about the G3 that are very nice, but the G4 is no slouch compared to it, and given the higher clock that it's pipeline allows, the G3 really can't keep up. The G4 not only sports a better standard FPU, but it also sports better integer units.
Keep in mind this test does not reflect balanced system performance. The point of this exercise has been to determine how the G4's FPU compares to an assortment of different processors and operating systems.
I'd like to know you you qualify "inferior software" on the x86. If the P4 is some how cheating, then all of the other processors are cheating as well. Again, we ran the exact same code. We even made it into C code on the mac for maximum speed. In fact I'd like for you to check the code out for yourself, so you can see there is no misdirection here. Keep in mind, other people here have ran it on Athlons in Linux and still get sub 10 second times. I've also had a friend of mine (who i can trust) run it under Yellow Dog on a G4, he got 100+ seconds. And I did not tell him the scores we've been getting on the Mac, I had him run the test first and tell me how long it took before I even said anything. The JRE and now Mac OS X have been factored out of this equation.
When you look at operations like these, for example scalar integer ops, that's all register. The fsb, bsb, or anything else doesn't matter. This is a direct comparison between the two units on the G4 vs everything else. Also, my question to you is, in what way are the integer and fpu units "better" in the G4? I did not build the chip so I can't say weather they are better or not better than those in the 750FX, but I can say I've ran a fair benchmark comparing the FPU on the G4 from everything to a P4, Athlon, C3, G3, different operating systems, on x86 Windows and Linux, and on the Mac, Mac OS X and Yellow Dog. The results are consistent across the board. What more "proof" do you want?
javajedi:
Admittedly I am getting lost in what all the numbers people have mentioned are for, but looking at these numbers you have here and assuming that they are doing the same task, you can rest assured that the G3/G4 are running far inferior software. AltiVec and SSE2 or not, there is just nothing that can explain this difference other than an unfair playing field. There is no task that a P4 can do 11x or 12x the speed of a G4 (comparing top-end models here). The P4 posseses nothing that runs at 11x or 12x the speed. Not the clock, not the units, the bandwidth to memory and caches are not 11x or 12x as good, it is not 11x better at branch prediction. I absolutely refuse to accept these results without very substantial backing because they contradict reality as I know it. I know a lot about the P4 and the G4, and I know a lot about programming in a fair number of different languages, even some assembly. I insist that these results do not reflect the actual performance of the processors, until irrefutable proof is presented to show how they do.
I guess the 70 and 90 don't surprise me a lot for the G3/G4, depending on clock speed difference. But all this trendy wandwagon-esque G4-bashing is not correct just cause every one else is doing it. There are things about the G3 that are very nice, but the G4 is no slouch compared to it, and given the higher clock that it's pipeline allows, the G3 really can't keep up. The G4 not only sports a better standard FPU, but it also sports better integer units.
Keep in mind this test does not reflect balanced system performance. The point of this exercise has been to determine how the G4's FPU compares to an assortment of different processors and operating systems.
I'd like to know you you qualify "inferior software" on the x86. If the P4 is some how cheating, then all of the other processors are cheating as well. Again, we ran the exact same code. We even made it into C code on the mac for maximum speed. In fact I'd like for you to check the code out for yourself, so you can see there is no misdirection here. Keep in mind, other people here have ran it on Athlons in Linux and still get sub 10 second times. I've also had a friend of mine (who i can trust) run it under Yellow Dog on a G4, he got 100+ seconds. And I did not tell him the scores we've been getting on the Mac, I had him run the test first and tell me how long it took before I even said anything. The JRE and now Mac OS X have been factored out of this equation.
When you look at operations like these, for example scalar integer ops, that's all register. The fsb, bsb, or anything else doesn't matter. This is a direct comparison between the two units on the G4 vs everything else. Also, my question to you is, in what way are the integer and fpu units "better" in the G4? I did not build the chip so I can't say weather they are better or not better than those in the 750FX, but I can say I've ran a fair benchmark comparing the FPU on the G4 from everything to a P4, Athlon, C3, G3, different operating systems, on x86 Windows and Linux, and on the Mac, Mac OS X and Yellow Dog. The results are consistent across the board. What more "proof" do you want?
MacMaster
Aug 25, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by ptrauber
This will be my last new thread...ever. I will announce tomorrow exactly why.
It's been great kids.
-Pete
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
This will be my last new thread...ever. I will announce tomorrow exactly why.
It's been great kids.
-Pete
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
MacRumorUser
Mar 16, 04:17 PM
For someone with a lot of games you're sure missing the formula for a game.
Do something, get a reward. Do something better, get a bigger reward.
But that is there in Crackdown. Blisfully forget the missions and try and climb the highest most seemingly inaccessable building and you get a reward. The seemingly harder to get - the reward from collecting the orb is vastly greater to an easy to access one.
Discover more hidden ones and the reward is bigger. Crackdown is actually full of these mate and they are in really cleverly located locations.
Trying to find the hidden ones leaves you with such a massive exploration quest. I''ve spent most of my time in the game just hunting down the agility orbs. :)
GTA - I enjoy for about an hour messing about - but stories of drug gangs, shooting cops and beating up prostitutes never really captivates me as a story......
Do something, get a reward. Do something better, get a bigger reward.
But that is there in Crackdown. Blisfully forget the missions and try and climb the highest most seemingly inaccessable building and you get a reward. The seemingly harder to get - the reward from collecting the orb is vastly greater to an easy to access one.
Discover more hidden ones and the reward is bigger. Crackdown is actually full of these mate and they are in really cleverly located locations.
Trying to find the hidden ones leaves you with such a massive exploration quest. I''ve spent most of my time in the game just hunting down the agility orbs. :)
GTA - I enjoy for about an hour messing about - but stories of drug gangs, shooting cops and beating up prostitutes never really captivates me as a story......
Dreadnought
Aug 30, 03:20 PM
And I just thought I had become the new folding god and all of those points came from me... the truth is too hard! :(
Hemingray
Mar 1, 10:38 AM
To be honest? I can't really remember. :eek: I think it was through my friend (fellow Mac addict, to be precise) Shaun? Not sure! The MacNN forums were my hangout before here tho. I like these forums much better.
G4scott
Aug 31, 11:40 PM
Ooh, I'm getting that cool feeling inside when you know that within a year, Apple will be moping the floors with the x86 platform...
Apple's ready, We're ready, Now, it's time for IBM to put out some serious kick @$$ hardware...
Apple's ready, We're ready, Now, it's time for IBM to put out some serious kick @$$ hardware...
MacAztec
Oct 7, 08:07 PM
Unfair Test.
They are using Apples latest and greatest processor.
The P4 has 2.6GHz out now...
AMD has like 2.2GHz out...
They are using Apples latest and greatest processor.
The P4 has 2.6GHz out now...
AMD has like 2.2GHz out...
zap2
Mar 18, 06:11 PM
As I've said before, never chose a games machine over a computer or anything used as a creative device.
But the PS3 is a computer ;)
I had to...sorry,it just fit so well. There just wasn't a spot like this in the war thread
But the PS3 is a computer ;)
I had to...sorry,it just fit so well. There just wasn't a spot like this in the war thread
Earendil
May 30, 05:38 PM
Apple is known for excellent computers. So why do the live at 1 Infinite loop? Infinite loops are not good things when it comes to computers(i have a computer dictionary;) ). Unless the chose it because 1 mac has had 1 infinite loop, why would the choose such a badd adress?:confused:
Because it's funny?
I always thought so at least.
As a CS major I can say they are the bane of every program, and half the time they are REALLY stupid mistakes. They are just a fact of writing programs, and as such go well with computers.
If you want to be serious about it though and skip humorr, I suppose you could say that Inifinite loops aren't a BAD thing. The program is actually still doing work, and doing exactly what it is told to do... Forever. So The idea that Apple is going to forever do exactly what it has been doing, which is exactly what it was told to do, isn't that bad of an idea, is it? ;)
~Earendil
ps
I'm sure Apple had a say in naming the road, and it wasn't named until AFTER Apple was established. It wasn't like it was an accident and Apple just wasn't careful enough about where they put down shop.
Because it's funny?
I always thought so at least.
As a CS major I can say they are the bane of every program, and half the time they are REALLY stupid mistakes. They are just a fact of writing programs, and as such go well with computers.
If you want to be serious about it though and skip humorr, I suppose you could say that Inifinite loops aren't a BAD thing. The program is actually still doing work, and doing exactly what it is told to do... Forever. So The idea that Apple is going to forever do exactly what it has been doing, which is exactly what it was told to do, isn't that bad of an idea, is it? ;)
~Earendil
ps
I'm sure Apple had a say in naming the road, and it wasn't named until AFTER Apple was established. It wasn't like it was an accident and Apple just wasn't careful enough about where they put down shop.
Stelliform
Sep 19, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
ha!
People don't come down here!
:-(
Just a few of us... ;)
ha!
People don't come down here!
:-(
Just a few of us... ;)
eyelikeart
Oct 15, 08:47 AM
I still have my Atari 2600, but I haven't used it in a while. I took it out a few years ago for nostalgia, but it's been in a box along with the games since.
applekid
Apr 15, 11:54 PM
Re-read your post on the first page. So, there's been no one that has run into rtgoldfish on X-Box Live? :confused:
At least that could make for a possible lead if someone could get the thief to say where he/she lives.
At least that could make for a possible lead if someone could get the thief to say where he/she lives.